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no bull and the aftermath.

During the Obama administration, we were very committed to trying to achieve what's known

as comprehensive immigration reform.

Everything from border security to visa reform to a pathway to citizenship, earned citizenship

for those already in the country illegally.

And a comprehensive bill did pass the Senate in 2013 and it passed with a bipartisan vote.

But the immigration politics in the House of Representatives were such that the Republican

Speaker basically said, we're not doing anything on immigration and the effort died.

This opportunity for the country lost opportunity for the House of Representatives to show that

it can deal with even difficult issues in a bipartisan way.

I'm David Priese and this is the LawFair podcast, August 31st, 2019.

Janet Napolitano served as the Secretary of Homeland Security from 2009 through 2013.

Before that, she was Attorney General of the State of Arizona and the governor of that

state.

Since 2013, she has served as the President of the University of California system.

More recently, she's been the author of How Safe Are We Homeland Security Since 9-11.

I spoke with Secretary Napolitano by phone a couple of days ago to talk about the whole

range of issues that Homeland Security encompasses, some of the things that she tried to do that

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