Janet Mock Finds Her Voice

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🗓️ 6 July 2021

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Janet Mock first heard the word “māhū,” a Native Hawaiian word for people who exist outside the male-female binary, when she was twelve. She had just moved back to Oahu, where she was born, from Texas, and, by that point, Mock knew that the gender she presented as didn’t feel right. “I don’t like to say the word ‘trapped,’ ” Mock tells The New Yorker’s Hilton Als. “But I was feeling very, very tightly contained in my body.” Eventually, Mock left Hawaii for New York, where she worked as an editor for People magazine. “[Everyone was] bigger and louder and smarter and bolder than me,” she tells Als. “So, in that sense, I could kind of blend in.” After working at People for five years, she came out publicly as trans; since then, she has emerged as a leading voice on trans issues. She’s written two books, produced a documentary, and signed a deal with Netflix. In 2018, she became the first trans woman of color to be hired as a writer on a TV series—Ryan Murphy’s FX series “Pose,” which just concluded its final season. This story originally aired January 4, 2019

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0:00.0	This is The New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.
0:09.0	Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. Every year, we invite some of the most
0:14.3	interesting people in America to come talk with us at the New Yorker Festival, writers, musicians,
0:19.5	inventors, and leaders, in every sort of field you
0:22.1	can think of. And we'll start today with the writer and trans activist Janet Mock. Mock made her
0:28.4	name with a best-selling memoir called Redefining Realness, which is about her childhood
0:33.5	growing up trans in Hawaii in Texas. And there she writes about gender, sexuality,
0:38.3	identity, and self-discovery. The book won many awards, and in the last few years,
0:43.8	Mock went on to do a great deal more. She wrote another book. She signed a deal with Netflix,
0:49.2	and she worked as a writer, director, and executive producer on the FX drama Pose,
0:53.5	which just finished its final season.
0:56.2	Staff writer Hilton Alls joined Janet Mock at the New Yorker Festival in October 2018.
1:01.8	I thought I would start by declaring that there are two Hawaiians that have changed my life,
1:09.8	you and Beth Midler.
1:13.6	And any state that can produce the two of you is okay by me.
1:17.6	So I wanted to, for those folks who haven't seen, or read Janet's books rather,
1:24.6	redefining realness and surpassing realness.
1:30.3	It's a really quite extraordinary story.
1:38.2	Tell us a little bit about those first years in Hawaii, and also it's a very complex marriage that your parents had.
1:41.5	So I think in order to understand where you're going, we need a little bit about where
1:45.8	you're coming from.
1:46.8	Yeah, my dad is a black man from Texas.
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