Coming up on the Mark Devine show.

Back in 2010, I was creating a future game for the World Bank.

We had 20,000 people spend 10 weeks imagining a world set 10 years in the future.

So the game was set in year 2020.

And we asked them how they would adapt and try to help others during a series of cascading

global crises that started with a respiratory pandemic coming out of China that was complicated

by supply chain disruptions, extreme heat and wildfires, social media driven conspiracy

theories and misinformation about the pandemic.

What do you do?

How do you help others?

How are you changing things in your community and in your own life?

And we had people spend 10 weeks imagining this in 2010.

And yes, I went back during the real 2020 and find out, did you have a different experience

of the real year 2020 because you had spent time really imagining this?

Welcome back to the Mark Devine show.

This is Mark Devine, your host, super stoked to be able to explore what it means to be courageous

and to learn through the lens of some of the world's most inspirational, compassionate

leaders, researchers, meditation monks, martial arts, grandmasters, you name it.

We have extremely interesting guests doing incredibly important things in the world.

And today, I'm excited to be talking about the future and gaming and how to become more

resilient and also more courageous and optimistic through gaming, through social gaming.

My guest today is Jane McGonagall.

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