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When you hear the name Jane Goodall, what do you think of?

Primatologist, naturalist, champion of the chimpanzees, all of these things are true.

So it might not surprise you that in recent years Jane Goodall has also been thinking about

our environment and how humans are driving climate change.

And I know you might be thinking, what can we do?

We've been polluting and warming the planet for decades now, but Jane would say, hold on

to hope.

Now is not the time to give into grief.

Now is the time to get involved.

This is a conversation that we really wanted to share with you about how Jane Goodall

sees the future of climate change, hosted by Rachel Martin on morning edition.

And I gotta say, just hearing her voice and the way she continues to actively engage

with the world, it's really inspiring to me.

All right, enjoy.

Someone like yourself who's spent a lifetime talking about the urgent need to protect

our planet, natural habitats, build a better earth considering where we are at right now.

No one would blame you if you weren't hopeful at all.

And yet you are, where does that come from?

Well, let me back off a bit by saying that if we all lose hope, we're doomed.

So I've met so many people who don't have hope, who say they feel helpless and hopeless.

And I say to them, well, that's because we're always being told, think globally at

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