Hi there, I'm Chris Duffy, host of How to Be a Better Human, another TED podcast.

Most of us want to be better, but we're not quite sure where to begin, and our show is here to help.

On our podcast, you'll hear from guests and TED speakers who might just make you a better human,

from standing up for what you believe in to challenging conventional wisdom, embracing rejection,

or finding gratitude every day, our show is your guide to becoming a little less terrible.

Not that you're terrible right now, I think you're great, but on something me become a little less

terrible and maybe you'll pick up something along the way. You can find How to Be a Better Human

wherever you're listening to this. Hey worklifers, it's Adam. We're getting close to the premiere

of season four of our show, but today I've got another conversation for you from our Taken for

Granted series of unscripted interviews about rethinking assumptions. This year and last,

many of us have been forced to communicate with our closest colleagues and friends from a distance,

and that skill is not uniquely human.

This is the distance greeting, and that simply means this is me, this is Jane.

Yep, this is Jane Goodall, legendary ethylogist, an expert on primate behavior.

Jane greeted us from her home in the UK over Zoom. It's an unnatural habitat for a person who

usually spends most of her time outdoors. More than 60 years ago, Jane started her career studying

chimpanzees in Tanzania, along with anthropologists Lewis Leakey. She famously immersed herself with

wild chimps and made groundbreaking discoveries about how primates behave and communicate.

It turns out that we have a lot more in common with apes than we realize, and by observing their

actions and interactions, I think we can learn a lot about leadership, status, and culture among humans.

I'm Adam Grant, and this is Taken for Granted by podcast with the TED Audio Collective.

I'm an organizational psychologist. My job is to think again about how we work, lead, and live.

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