Hey, it's Jesse here. Listen, you know how much I love a good story. If you don't know that, I do. I love a good story. And honestly, the best conversations are the ones where you learned something about someone you thought you already knew. So if that's also your thing and you love that, I've got something special for you. I want to introduce you to a podcast that I've been

loving recently called Big Lives, hosted by journalist Kai Wright and Emmanuel Jochi. They dig into the BBC

archives to pull apart the lives of icons who have shaped our culture. I'm talking about

David Bowie, George Michael, Amy Winehouse, Tina Turner, Meg Ryan, all in an effort to better understand

today's culture through the trailblazers who built it. And they do it in this way that's so

smart and curious and also just really fun, which, you know, if you're a listener to this podcast,

you know, that's exactly on the top of my list.

It's got to be fun. So today I'm sharing a preview of their episode on Jane Fonda, who is someone

that I thought I knew really well. She's an Oscar winner. She's a fitness queen. She's an activist.

But Kai and Emmanuel trace her whole journey from 1960s Barbarilla to Hanoi Jane to being the face of the VHS Home Workout Revolution.

Jane's story from sex symbol to anti-war radical is one of beauty, backlash, power, and persistence.

She's become one of the most polarizing and frankly fearless women in American history.

I have been fascinated by Jane Fonda ever since I first encountered her in the movie 9 to 5.

To this day, still one of my all-time favorite movies.

Here's the preview.

If you like what you hear,

find more episodes on Big Lives wherever you get your podcasts. From BBC Studios and Pushkin Industries,

this is Big Lives. I'm Kai Wright. I'm Immanuel Jochi.

And on this show, every episode we take a single legend and break down their legacy.

These are architects of our culture, people who have had just a huge impact on the way we live, on the way we take in art, on the way we think about ourselves.

But they have often been

reduced and flattened to a single kind of cartoonish image of themselves. And we think that's a

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