Jan 6 Update, School Prayer, Dobbs and Guns Part 2

The Politics Guys

Michael Baranowski

News, Education, Politics

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🗓️ 2 July 2022

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Trey & Ken record early this week and do something unique: they give additional insight into the cases of Dobbs and New York State Rifle & Pistol Association covered by Mike and Jay last week. The duo start by discussing the Cassidy Hutchinson testimony. Ken thinks the likelihood of a Trump inditement has increased. Trey asks what could actually be demonstrated in court. Further the pair discuss the intersection of politics and law in a case such as this. The finish the topic by discussing the implications for Trump challengers to the Republican primary including Ron DeSantis and Mike Pence. Next is a discussion on the major establishment vs. expression question at the heart of Kennedy v Bremerton School District. Trey is supportive of the bottom line outcome, although he doesn't believe there was a need to overturn precedent to do it. Ken believes that it is just a particular outcome that was destined to win and that it was a violation of the establishment clause. After that they close the show by moving on to something unusual: they examine what Mike & Jay had to say on abortion and guns in the Dobbs and New York cases. In Dobbs Trey agrees with the outcome, but disagrees with the reasoning. Specifically he, like Ken, agree that there are more rights than specifically outlined in the constitution. In this way they both disagree with Mike & Jay. On guns Trey believes a close reading of history shows a conflicted set of frames over the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, but that it included an individual right to bear arms. Ken gives no ground and thinks it is historically only connected to states. The Politics Guys on Facebook | Twitter Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. You can support us or change your level of support at patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support. On Venmo, we’re @PoliticsGuys. Interested in starting your own podcast? Check out RedCircle, home of The Politics Guys. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-politics-guys/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:46.7	I'm Trey Orndorf, a political scientist at Oklahoma Christian University, and I'm joined by the professor of law at Chase Law School, Ken Kat Ken.
0:56.5	Ken, welcome to the politics, guys.
0:58.6	Thanks, Trey. It's great to be back.
1:00.2	Well, you know, this week we're doing things a heck of a lot different.
1:04.6	So I'm going to set some things up because to begin with Ken, you know, right now it's Wednesday, June 29th, which that's really bizarre, because it's a whole lot earlier than we normally do the show.
1:16.7	But for listeners, just you understand what's going on, the reason for this is relatively simple.
1:21.2	I've got to have a surgery, my 11th, for fistualizing Crohn's disease on Thursday.
1:26.8	So as some listeners might know, I've had a number of autoimmune diseases that have cropped up my life,
1:32.2	including total body alopecia.
1:34.5	But the big one that has caused me some problems has always been fistulizing Crohn.
1:39.1	So things are a lot better, and I appreciate it that many of you have in the past reached out about that.
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