Welcome back to the line podcast. My name is Aaron Alexander for newcomers. This is a place that we bring together the world's leading experts on all the things in the realms of health and wellness and movement and drugs and sexuality and sorts of strange topics that somehow in a

roundabout way relate back to your health and today's conversation was with

my homey Jamie K Kilstein who is a professional comic.

You may have seen him on the Joe Rogan podcast. You may know him from political

conversations. You may know him from comedic conversations. You may know from comedic conversations.

This specific podcast, we get into all of those topics.

And it was a really good time.

I hope you guys absolutely devour it.

I got a quote. This isn't actually a quote. This is paraphrase

from Russian philosopher Gergeif. I'm not sure if I say that correctly. I think it's Gergeif. And I heard this through Ram Doss discourse. He was talking, reference

G. One of the things he said is that in order to achieve enlightenment, a person

must first sacrifice their suffering.

And that's totally paraphrase, it's not at all.

The idea is what he was getting at, but that's not all what he actually said.

But I'd like the idea that we need to sacrifice our own suffering in order to reach higher levels of our own consciousness. What the hell does that mean? I think oftentimes we can

become trapped in our own victimhood because we have

gained some degree of success or safety or reward

from being within that victim role and as then we start to kind of

carve out a home for ourselves within that victim role and then it feels unsafe to leave that space but beyond that that new shell that we haven't accessed is a new layer of freedom, but it can feel scary at first to leave our victim hood.

Gergeif! The victim stuff is strange culturally as well because it's kind of like

you're not really permitted to touch it from an outsider.

You can't shake someone's victim cage up too much

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