Jamie Bartlett - Inside The Digital Underworld
London Real
Brian Rose
4.4 • 1.9K Ratings
🗓️ 14 December 2014
⏱️ 85 minutes
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Summary
Jamie Bartlett is the Author of “The Dark Net: Inside the Digital Underworld” and Director of the Centre for the Analysis of Social Media at the think tank Demos.
FREE FULL EPISODE: https://londonrealacademy.com/episodes/jamesbartlett/
He heads the Violence and Extremism Programme which researches a range of terrorist and extremist groups.
To research the book he immersed himself in the dark net buying marijuana from the Silk Road, watching the production of internet porn, and meeting with British neo-nazis.
Chapters:
00:00 Trailer.
01:02 Brian’s thoughts on the episode.
07:30 Brian’s introduction
08:03 Getting right into the shocking, hidden, obscured subcultures online.
09:10 Discovering the human element of the two dimensional people seen on the online world.
10:56 Facebook’s role in prevention of lone wolf terrorism as in murder of Lee Rigby.
13:47 Rise of the lone wolf terrorist attack.
14:29 Security is the basis from which all our other liberties ultimately flow.
16:22 Use of modern technology by Jihadist and English far right parties.
20:42 Revelations from a study of Facebook supporters of anti-establishment far right parties.
23:31 Neo Nazi Paul playing to the audience, having a separate online and offline persona.
28:24 Tor and the Silk Road online market place pros and cons.
35:26 Problem of controlling an anonymous market place where anything can be bought and sold.
36:59 Surprised to learn of the power of the market to act in the interest of the consumer.
38:53 Jamie wouldn’t be surprised by a Silk Road app in the future.
40:24 Pornography online, research all in the interests of writing a book.
49:30 Pro-ana sites seemingly supportive communities, but dangerously destructive or deadly.
52:49 Ease of becoming sucked into online communities when searching for knowledge and support.
54:08 The journey most people make into child pornography.
58:50 Consequence of lowering barriers to entry of pornographic or drug access sites.
1:01:11 Jamie’s warning that people need to be aware of increasing normalisation of bad things.
1:02:25 Technology addiction awareness increasing.
1:04:09 Conclusions drawn upon coming to the end of writing the book.
1:07:43 Vilification issues for politicians communicating via the internet.
1:10:09 The future for everyone’s digital footprint.
1:12:43 Future society inequality of intelligent users of the internet and others addicted to its harmful effects.
1:14:34 Jamie’s digital tombstone will show that he just wanted to get people thinking.
1:16:06 Phone call to the 20 year old Jamie Bartlett.
1:17:31 Best advice Jamie has ever received.
1:19:02 Advice to the 20 year olds around the world who want to change the world.
1:20:56 How to access Jamie’s book.
1:25:04 Brian’s summing up.
Show Notes:
Jamie Bartlett on Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Bartlett_(journalist)
Jamie Bartlett website
http://www.jamiebartlett.org/
Jamie Bartlett on Twitter
https://twitter.com/JamieJBartlett?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Jamie Bartlett Ted Talk
https://www.ted.com/speakers/jamie_bartlett
Centre for the Analysis of Social Media (CASM)
http://www.demos.co.uk/research-area/centre-for-analysis-of-social-media/
Jamie Bartlett's Book:
The Dark Net
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dark-Net-Jamie-Bartlett/dp/0099592029
Topics discussed:
The Men Who Stare at Goats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats
Frank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_(film)
Murder of Lee Rigby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby
Tor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)
Silk Road
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)
Bitcoin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
People mentioned in this episode:
Jon Ronson
https://londonrealacademy.com/episodes/jon-ronson-gonzo-journalist/
James Cosmo
https://londonrealacademy.com/episodes/james-cosmo-the-pyramid-texts/
Howard Marks
https://londonrealacademy.com/episodes/howard-marks-meeting-mr-nice-redux/
Professor David Nutt
https://londonrealacademy.com/episodes/professor-david-nutt-the-truth-about-drugs/
FULL SHOW NOTES: https://londonrealacademy.com/episodes/jamesbartlett/
Music "Cut & Run" & "The Complex" by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | This week on London Real, we have Jamie Bartlett, author of The Dark Net, inside the digital |
| 0:08.7 | underworlds. |
| 0:10.1 | I just want to write stuff that people gets people thinking security is the basis from which all our other liberties |
| 0:18.0 | ultimately flow. |
| 0:20.0 | The government officials of our time, they have no clue. You need to be tough enough to accept that people are going to say things that you find offensive. |
| 0:32.0 | The real secret of the Silk Road is actually customer service. If you create |
| 0:36.7 | anonymous marketplace, you sort of don't get to decide what's bought and sold there. |
| 0:45.0 | Three girls on a bed ready to perform. Human behavior is just so damn unpredictable. |
| 0:50.0 | London Real presents |
| 0:51.0 | Jamie Bartlett inside the digital underworld. |
| 0:56.0 | We're going to have to take more responsibility ourselves over what we do. |
| 1:02.0 | I'm here in Green Park in Central London behind me is a fantastic memorial for the |
| 1:08.4 | Canadians that died in the first and second world war and you can see they've still got some poppy wreaths here |
| 1:14.8 | below me we just had remembrance day about a month ago here which is a very big deal |
| 1:19.8 | in England is something that's uh... thought a lot about it was I think a |
| 1:24.3 | million that died in the first world war and the second world war casualties |
| 1:28.0 | were very high as well and so it's something that's thought about a lot in this |
| 1:31.5 | country and you kind of forget that when you're from America that the |
| 1:35.8 | war was really close here and it was something that hits home and defines the people of this country |
| 1:40.5 | to this day. |
| 1:41.9 | So it's nice to get out to West London and show you a bit more of the city that I love. |
| 1:46.4 | My guest today is Jamie Bartlett, who is a fascinating guy and I think it's probably my most favorite episode of 2014 because I had this fascinating talk with him |
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