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Unchained

James Wynn’s Fall, Ethereum’s Rise, and the Death of the Foundation Era – The Chopping Block - Ep. 846

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew tackles a triple-header of crypto’s growing pains: the bizarre saga of James Wynn—a memecoin gambler whose billion-dollar positions on Hyperliquid ended in public ruin; the Ethereum Foundation’s surprise rebrand into “Protocol” and its sudden embrace of hierarchy; and a bold manifesto from Miles Jennings calling for the end of crypto foundations as we know them. Is radical transparency a feature or a trap? Is Ethereum finally prioritizing execution over vibes? And are foundations just offshore theater—or necessary guardians of decentralization? The gang debates all this and more in a conversation that asks: who’s really in control of crypto—and should they be? Show highlights 🔹 James Wynn: From $1B to $16 – The infamous Hyperliquid trader wipes out, then begs for donations… and opens new positions days later 🔹 Liquidation Theater – Was Wynn’s downfall market manipulation, a psyop, or just crypto doing what it always does? 🔹 Hyperliquid Transparency Debate – CZ, Jump, and Hyperliquid clash over whether radical openness helps or harms 🔹 Stop-Hunting Season – Tarun explains why onchain liquidation is more deterministic—but not necessarily more malicious 🔹 Ethereum Foundation Rebrands – Meet “Protocol”: a new structure, a new strategy, and maybe… a new hierarchy 🔹 The End of Purge & Surge – Is Ethereum finally abandoning the meme roadmap and focusing on shipping? 🔹 Tim Beiko’s New Role – A surprising centralization of coordination—and why the ETH community seems to like it 🔹 DUCS vs. DUNA – The crew proposes a new Ethereum acronym—and debates Miles Jennings’ push to end the foundation model 🔹 Are Foundations Just Offshore Theater? – Haseeb argues it’s time to kill the Cayman entity and rethink DAO legal structures 🔹 The Legal Marketing Wars – Tarun and Tom debate whether crypto’s governance evolution is genuine—or just “intellectual shilling” ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  The end of the foundation era in crypto by Miles Jenningshttps://a16zcrypto.com/posts/article/end-foundation-era-crypto/ Announcing Protocol by Barnabé Monnot, Tim Beiko, Alex Stokes https://blog.ethereum.org/2025/06/02/announcing-protocol Timestamps 00:00 Intro 02:12 The Saga of James Wynn 06:20 Market Manipulation vs. Transparency 17:37 57, Tarun’s Favorite Number 20:12 EF's “Protocol” 33:45 DUCS! Decentralization, UX, Censorship Resistance, and Scaling 36:55 The End of the Foundation Era 45:04 The Role of Legal Structures in Crypto 52:49 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

We're an industry that has constantly been on the back foot with respect to legal.

0:03.1

So the idea that, like, well, we've obviously figured out the Holy Grail, which is the foundation model, is crazy.

0:08.4

But you have to get lawyers to say yes to that.

0:10.6

Right.

0:10.8

Like each one of these companies that goes to CSX, they're already incorporated.

0:14.0

They have lawyers.

0:14.6

But the reason I think, again, is like the market signal of safes and safts is that people fucking use them.

0:23.0

And end of the day, they didn't have to shift the equilibrium.

0:25.3

They did not even have to do that much marketing.

0:27.0

The saft from zero to usage amazingly fast.

0:31.2

Token warrants, same thing.

0:32.6

And so I think if you just-

0:34.9

The token ones were not amazingly fast.

0:36.4

It took a while.

0:38.5

Compared to... How long have you been hearing about Duna's?

0:40.5

I've been hearing about Duna's for like two and a half years.

0:43.4

I've been hearing about so many Dows saying they're going to convert and then don't do it.

0:47.2

Not a dividend.

0:48.4

It's a tale of two pawn.

0:49.5

Now, your losses are on someone else's balance. Generally speaking, air drops are kind of pointless anyways.

0:55.1

Unimmedged trading firms who are very involved.

0:57.9

I like that ETH is the ultimate pump.

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