Welcome to another edition of Socrates in the studio, which is affiliated with Socrates

in the city, and the city in which we find ourselves is London.

The question really that we're using to frame this series of Socrates in the studio

conversations is what is the future of the West?

That's the larger question.

As you know, most of my guests at Socrates in the city are just not that bright.

Today, we depart from that cavalcade of dunderheads to talk to somebody who's really pretty sharp.

Let me tell you about him. His name is Dr. James Orr. He's a professor of philosophy of religion at the University of Cambridge.

Formerly he was MacDonald Postdoctoral Fellow in Theology ethics, and public life at Christchurch, Oxford.

He holds a Ph.D. and M. Phil in Philosophy of Religion from St. John's College, Cambridge,

and has a double first in literary humanities from Balliol College, Oxford.

It now falls to me to welcome Dr. James Orr to Socrates in the city. Welcome.

Good to be with you, Eric. I said you have a double first. How do you say it? You earned a double first?

It's a double first. Yeah, that's the degree classification that you can get in certain degrees at Oxford and Cambridge.

And so, yes, I mean, it's tripartite.

You know you first.

You get a second.

You've got a third or two or two or two.

So it's a very rough kind of classification.

And it really doesn't mean much.

It doesn't mean much.

All right.

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