Hello my name is David Ransman and this is Talking Politics. This weekend's extra episode

is a conversation between me and the broadcaster author and I quote, conscience of liberal

Britain, James O'Brien.

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This conversation with James was recorded a few days ago. It's part of the Cambridge

literary festival and we are talking to start with about James's new book How Not to

Be Wrong, which is a follow up to the best selling How To Be Right. We talk about a lot more

than that. Everything from Brexit to therapy. It's a fascinating book and it starts with

the story of your therapy. Let's be frank about this. It reminded me of something that Howard

Stern said. For people who aren't familiar with the work of Howard Stern, he's what he

used to be called a shock-jock. People still say shock-jock or not.

I don't know. I don't know whether he's on Twitter. Anyway, Howard Stern is no longer

shock-jock because he's matured like you into a sensitive, insightful, political interviewer.

He used to have Donald Trump on his show back in the day in New York when Trump was a

ghastly New York real estate mogul and Howard Stern would go to him into staying outrageous

things about how much he fancied a banker and stuff like that. When he began President

Howard Stern was asked, do you want to interview him now? He said no because I've just been

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