So there's a kid growing up in Orange County, California.

James Nester had a love affair with the ocean.

He'd find himself in the water surfing pretty much every day or every chance he could.

And it was his happy place where the world would vanish away.

He would settle into that hyper-present state of flow or bliss, which is pretty fascinating

because decades later, now living as a writer in San Francisco, that deep passion for the

water and the state that it brought him to has never left him.

In fact, it led eventually to an obsession with the rarefied sport and culture of free

diving where people train themselves to dive so fast and deep into the ocean, holding

their breath that the pressure literally transforms their physiology and brains into something

entirely different as the light fades from the water.

This led to his book Deep, where he didn't just write about free divers, but also became

one, and that then spiraled into a powerful fascination with how free divers are somehow

mysteriously accepted into the mystical underwater sanctuary of the world's largest mammals.

And that eventually led to a more recent fascination with breathing and how the way we breathe,

which has been largely ignored by modern medicine, barring treatment for pulmonary illness,

how it's actually one of the most powerful gateways to health, longevity, peace of mind,

even transcendent states.

And he shares all of his discoveries, now years of research, in his latest book Breath,

the new science of a lost art.

We dive into all of this, including some things that are really going to invite you to completely

re-examine how you breathe and why and how it might unlock some powerful things in your

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