You're going to be. Hello and welcome to Decoding the Guru's. It is the podcast where two academics listen to content from the greatest minds the online world has to offer and we will try to understand what they're talking about.

So I'm Matt Brown from Australia and with me is Chris Kavina, He's from Northern Ireland and presently in Japan.

And today we are looking at a talk that was given quite recently and

before getting into that I just want to give a bit of a reminder about

our podcast. So we're looking at the way that people structure their arguments, the way that

people present themselves and frame their speech to be convincing and the way that they build a community around themselves.

So we're as interested I think in the form that their arguments take as much as the content.

So hopefully we'll come a bit more aware of the rhetorical techniques and so on that get applied.

So, so Chris, welcome.

Hello Matt.

Yes, you were doing a good job there, so I don't want the interrupt.

Please.

Please continue with eloquent speech before I destroy it, of my garbled ramble.

I'm afraid it was turning into a speech so I thought I better stop.

No I was enjoying that so yeah I feel bad to pop in an interrupt but yeah just to echo one point that you were heading towards in looking at the way that people use rhetoric or persuasive techniques.

We aren't only arguing that the people using these techniques

are necessarily nefarious characters who just want to steal your money and convince you to cut off contact with your family or that kind of thing.

It isn't so black and white. Actually, you could use the same techniques to argue for something which is morally good or which is I don't know a worthy

cause so it is something to note that a lot of the things that we're talking about even though it

potentially carries with it a judgment, that's not what we necessarily mean.

Yeah.

Mark, can you put that in a better way?

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