Music Good afternoon, Michael Malis here. Let that be your welcome for the new year. We have with us a very special returning guest who hasn't been here in all of 2025. James Lindsay, when he's not getting to needlessly gratuitously aggressive fights on X, he's the author of Race Marxism, the querying of the American child and cynical theories. James, hope you had a good new year. Yeah, it was not too bad. Nice and chill, except the weather was kind of warmed. So that was all right. It's been pretty good. You have been one of the biggest voices warning about the radicalization of the use, and both have our gray hair showing. I'm curious to hear your view as to Mamdani's election in New York, what maybe be the causes, and if this is a canary in a coal mine. You know, that's actually a super good question. It's, in my opinion, much more complicated than a lot of the pundits are making it. It's not just like, oh, wow, everybody's mad at Trump and the Democratic youth is on the march and this is a hard bringer of what's to come. Well, the Republicans might absolutely like, crap's a bit over the midterms. I don't think that what we're seeing is necessary, necessarily assigned to come. There is a lot of frustration with Trump that's part of it. Where would you expect to find that Manhattan? What a surprise Brooklyn. Oh my. You know, that's so that's not really super surprising. But you know, there's some other things going on with Montgomery. First of all, he didn't. He was up against Cuomo, who was like the worst candidate that possibly could have run against him, except for Curtis Lewa. And that, of course, was another guy in the race who is splitting the vote. And Eric Adams, he dropped out, didn't he? Yeah, but he would have been the worst candidate. He said, we're just gonna, yeah, fair enough, fair enough. So, so you have like literally the COVID grandma killer running up against this younger democratic socialist guy who's saying energizing things in Manhattan, in New York City broadly, but Manhattan included Commie cord or right through there. And this is after 2024. And that's really important. And it's not just because Trump took office and all the Democrats are losing their minds over the stuff Trump's doing, some good, some bad. It's also because a whole lot of people, for the first time ever, voted for Republicans in 2024 and were not exactly poised to be able to vote in, say, Democratic primaries in New York the following year. So a lot of people left the Democratic Party, a lot of people left in New York City actually over the last few years. So you have this concentration of like deep blue bull crap going on in New York City that came to a head with the election of Mandami who we can make a shrewd guess that if the Democrats would have put up a single, if a single other Democrat, the Democrats couldn't put them up. Single other guy ran as an independent other than Cuomo, who was, you know, kind of a democratic stalwart who didn't kill a bunch of people during COVID. Who hadn't carried so much baggage who wasn't so generally unlikeable, especially in New York as Andrew Cuomo was that he probably wouldn't have won. He didn't want, won by a giant margin as it was. I mean, he won by more than the Sleevo vote, which is something to know, but he didn't win by this giant margin. So I don't know that that race particularly is a hard bringer of things to come, at least as far as electoral issues go, but I'm more concerned about what happened in Virginia and in New Jersey, which were total blowouts for the Republicans. Can we talk about this? Because this is something now untriggered, not by what you said, but by the response to this. There's this insane... I went for a law test and did the homework on this one. There's this insane talking point online that over Virginia and New Jersey are blue states, what could you expect? So I went and I did the homework. Blue states, there's different kinds of blue states. There's a blue state like Hawaii where the governor is almost always a Democrat. They always vote president Democrat and their legislature both houses are overwhelming. like, you know, 80% Democrats, something like that. Lingo, I forget her first name, Lisa Laura, whatever was Republican governor for two terms, but that's an aberration. Then you have blue states like Massachusetts, which always vote Democrat for president. Their legislature is overwhelming Democrat, but they love electing Republican governors. I think it was like a 24-year spread of Republican Republican Republican. Virginia is not like in either of those. First of all, the first Democrat, even though Virginia was like one of the first states to secede, if not the, what I think, it was the capital of Confederacy. The only Democrat who took it was Obama. Before that, it had been read. Not only that, on the legislature level, it's 50-50. I think it was literally 51-49 in the state Senate, and like 101-99 in the state house, something crazy like that. Virginia, like most of these former Confederate states, always elected Democrat governors in the 20th century. But once the Republican Party became a force in Virginia, it would alternate. And no Democrat, I looked this up. I think it was the 70s or 80s when the Democrats started having to have competition. No Democrat has won by a big of margin in Virginia as in this year ever since Republicans became competitive. Republicans have won Virginia by 15 points in the gubernatorial races. No Democrat have won by this much of a margin. New Jersey is another example. Yes, it's a blue state. You could expect a Democrat to win. But I think it's like 60, 40, in terms of Democrats. Christian women is an example. Chris Christie is another common example in the 80s, Tom Kane, or Keen Rivers' name was was the same guy who ran four years ago last time he lost by four points This time he lost by 12 points and you could say well doesn't matter losses a loss Well, it does matter in the midterms It does matter in terms of fundraising. It does matter in terms of the state house So and the Democrats also have most seats in the Virginia state legislature since they've had since the 80s. And to hand this away, this away, because it's a blue state, well, there's a difference in the presidential level between someone pulling in 1984 and winning 49 states and then squeaking through like Bush in 2004 and getting 271 electoral votes. Those matter in terms of in the Senate in the House, I'm a Congressman, I'm looking where people voting, I wanna get reelected, how bad I'm gonna push back against this guy. The Republicans had this problem in 2008, when Obama comes to the super-juries, they're like, how do we fight him? Is this gonna be us, you know, cutting our own throats? Sorry for the rant, but like, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no but like, no, no, no, don't understand. It's true. Yeah, this isn't the way to look, the narrative online is not the way to look at it, because Virginia is really a probably tip to red state with a DC suburbs sandbag in the northern end, right? And so it's, it's a very different environment than like you said, like Massachusetts or Hawaii or California or something like this. And we can't just wave it away and say, oh, it's a blue state, what do you expect? Same thing in New Jersey. I mean, there's lots of reasons to believe that New Jersey, that alienation of Indian Americans actually, by the woke right or the radical right, actually may have been somewhat decisive in tipping the scales blue and in Virginia, a lot of it comes down to the unsalability of when some seers as a candidate to be completely fair, but at the same time, you know, they've been having a pretty good run. I actually thought what was going to happen in Virginia, what I was surprised about was not the governor's race or lieutenant governor's race, but the attorney general. I thought Jason Miarese was quite popular. I thought he had done a lot that was really good. That was of course the closest of the races, but he lost two, which I thought was pretty surprising. So that I see as a more concerning bellweather of what's to come than Mondami, which is this kind of like New York City kind of thing.

You know, It's very local to the New York city situation, especially after there's already like this super left place that became more super left over the last five years because of a bunch of people who are conservative left and because of people finally getting fed up and voting for Trump and washing out of the Democratic primary. Now what is interesting with the... Mandami is, you know, a lot of us, it kind of spend a lot of time lurking in the right-wing circles of political universe are very aware of the fractures within MAGA and the fractures and the conservative movement, Republican Party, power struggles trying to define the party post-Trump, which is, you know, started a little bit early to our detriment, but we're aware of that, but we kind of still have this weird belief that the Democrats are operating as this kind of monolithic, you know, lockstep program and they're not. There's sort of always action., we, whatever who are speaking, because if I'm elect this, we have infighting, they're all united. Oh yeah, totally. Talk to my my my my my, they think every Republican is a Naga and it's not with everything Trump does. And we can't get our shit together blah, blah, blah, blah. This has been the most striking feature of me being kind of like this independent like, you know, analyst figure that's kind of dipped into both worlds kind of significantly over the last two decades or decade and a half really. And it's always that both sides are like the other side is super organized and we're we're in fighting and competing with each other all the time. Both sides say the exact same stuff. It's crazy. But with the Democrats, there are definitely three factions, which are something like a kind of cowering, hiding, terrified. I'll use the word with a little bit of vomit in my mouth, but same Democrat, old school Democrat. The good rats. Yeah, they just want higher taxes and social programs and stuff. Yeah, the low seas, the guidance, they love Wall Street. You know, it's really old, you know, and some tinkering on the edges, but they're the governing kind of party of America for the most of the 20th century. Right. Then you have the basically this whatever woke phenomenon, this justice Democrat thing that's kind of had them by the balls for a little while. And now, what when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, for a little while. And now what when, when, when, when Tommy shows is there's a real threat and I've talked to a number of Democrats about this, they're terrified. There's a real threat of a DSA takeover, Democratic Socialists of America takeover of the Democratic Party, which is your kind of proper, you know, communist vanguard. And the Democrats that I've spoken with are pretty scared of that. And they don't quite know what to do about it because these guys, these, we'll call them harder communists, are very successful at, like, Mundami did, at speaking the woke rhetoric and sucking up that woke vote only to cut, you know, they're going to come around and betray those people pretty big time because they're going to be much harder line economic socialists. And that, of course, is ties back to now the story of New York, which is where everybody's kind of crapping the pet politically, which is the number one issue for voters pretty much across the board right now is affordability. Yeah, we can go full Ben Shapiro and say, look, if you can't for a living Manhattan Manhattan Maybe don't and then the whole internet gets mad at you for like this kind of obvious truth but The fact is that it's expensive to live places especially urban places in urban places of the places where stuff's happening where jobs are where people want to be in a lot of cases and so there's a real crisis there with affordability to the degree that it's reasonable that people are suffering this crisis is one question, but the fact that they're suffering is a fact. It's not a question. And that they're voting according to that suffering and that perception. And so the democratic socialist types are going to be very successful at speaking into that. The hard part is that they're all grabs still. They're all captured on the left by trends. It's like they unleashed their scariest monster and their scariest monster is holding them hostage right now with an issue that's underwater more than 80%. It's like that really? It's that low. Polling nationally on transgender surgeries for minors at least is something like 17 or 15% of the population support it. And this is the biggest losing issue for the Democrats by a long way and they can't get away from it in the kind of the same way that once the anti-Semitism wakes up, you can't get away from that on the right Like they you're never gonna be able to get away from it once that actually becomes a political force because those people There are certain things trans being one of them and anti-semitism being another that just seemed to derange people to the point where they can't think about or do anything else once they start that And so when you only If that's not the idea who that. Yeah. Um, but let me tell you a real quick fact about Israel. You probably know this, but a lot of people don't know this, Michael. That $7,000 thing is so not real. They wouldn't even give you $7. They invited me over for this fancy conference this month. And I'm going. And then after I'm like, yeah, I'll come. I just assumed, you know, like who has people fly 12 hours to get to a conference seven times zones, eight times zones away and doesn't give them business class flies. I'll tell you who, Israel. In fact, the government policy for the $7,000 people, the government policy, there's no getting around it. The government policy is basic economy, not regular economy, basic economy, the cheapest tickets that they can possibly buy are the ones that they buy for their dignitaries that they invite over. So the $7,000 people might have told me to say things, but they didn't pay me to say things. Well, see, maybe if you were to totalize a little bit better, you'd be in business class, boy, now work, now turn on my lights at Saturday. That's right. That's right. Guys, it's not easy being on a wear model. 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The Democratic Party is the oldest political party on earth, and this is an opportunity, because if my house has been burnt down, now I can be like, okay, I can rebuild it and I can rebuild it in the correct way. And there were two, which way Western man? They had two paths. They could go, Mum Donnie, we're gonna go full Bernie Sanders party or we could view the Pelosi corporate hack wing. We don't know which is going to win. An election day, they ran the AB testing and the corporate hack, so-called moderates, did much better than the Mamdani victory in New York. Now, if Mamdani had one of those who had lost, they would all go DSA. There's no argument against that at that point. It's like, we tried it your way, we tried Romney, we tried McCain, now we're going to try the other way, right? For the Republican, we tried moderate, We got blown out in winnable races. Womdani is the future. So I also think people underestimate because of so much historical stereotyping that, I think this has gone away, by the way, in our lifetimes, that when we think of corporations, people think of the Democrats hate them. Now people are realizing, wait a minute, the corporations are the Democratic Party overwhelmingly so. and they do not like the Mamdani stuff and they're in a position to do something about it. Yeah, that's right. I think you're exactly right with that. The issue that they face is that the Democratic Socialists are not saying people. And so they're definitely going to run a wedge campaign against the Democratic Party. But we've said that they hate the Democratic Party. And yet that's the vehicle that they're gonna try to ride to get somewhere. So they're gonna do massive damage internally. And like I said, I've spoken with some, you know, not inconsequential Democrats. And they're actually terrified of this. They understand that these dynamics are going to be a real problem for them going forward. And you know, these are people who are like, you know, communism is bad, but somehow like socialism is good. You know, levels of sophistication and their analysis. And they're still like, oh no, like these guys are going to cause the DSA is going to cause major problems because they're

completely intolerant faction.

Here's a couple of things. First of all, if I'm a Democrat and I'm going to be primated by a DSA person, the only way to fight them is basically sounding like a Republican. Like talking about lower taxes, less spending and business opportunities, sounding like Mitt Romney, which is really going to be hard to sell in a primary because the primaries were the zealots of both parties tend to go out.

Something else that you might find interesting is,

I spent a lot of research which is just a month time you need before you start running your mouth on camera. Uganda, which is Bumdani's birthplace, since the 90s is actually one of the most economically liberal places in Africa. Not only are they free market people like in the Chile, they're also socially conservative and politically autocratic. So it's like the exact opposite of Mamdani. So I wondered if there's some kind of daddy issue situation going on there. But to your point, something that should be chilling and not just in this like, like, boomercon way, is that Mamdani always know allegiance to the Democratic Party or none of these DSA people.

They don't care about the Democratic Party at all. In the same way, Trump had no use for the Republican Party other than this is going to be vehicle for me and I'm going to remake it in my image. So if I'm not fed, if I'm Biden, who's the opposite, my entire presidency is due to Democratic apparatus. I have to walk the plank. If I get that call from DNC, I have to listen.

If it's Mamdani, I get the call from DMC.

What who cares? You did nothing for me. I got elected despite your opposition up to November. And I'm going to do what I want. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I think it's going to create a bit of a mess because stuff's not going to work. And so, you know, if the Republican, I can't even say this with a straight face, if the Republicans are smart, that's like impossible to say, you know, by attaching the Democrats to both the trans issue and whatever in the world, one, Tommy's doing, they have some, some potential advantage to kind of like pull out of this unbelievable,

spiraling full stall dive that they've gone into over the last, over 2025 basically. 2025

was the year of this new right, whatever disaster really for the Republican party. And I'm hoping,

I mean, if we're going to be smart about it, it's a battle for the future of the Republican Party post Trump. But if we're not gonna be smart about it, it's just a catastrophe of, you know, it's a spectacle of idiocy. And hopefully 26 is gonna mark us moving away from that. Kind of, it looks like that's likely to happen. As long as you don't look too closely, you know, major institutions like Heritage Foundation or Claremont or ISI, as they fall one by one, like dominoes to all of this. Um, I was, I, my book thing you write came out several years ago and the point I made on the blurb is, you know, I went through all these groups, haven't come in, uh, nothing except the hatred for progressivism. And I think something that MAGA doesn't appreciate to the extent that they should in my opinion is that Trump doesn't have a bench. Like we all watched in 2015, 2016, and it was glorious to watch, as he stood at debate stage and like picked off the Republicans one by one, people would combine probably a centuryion of experience between them and they all fell and it was absolutely hilarious and they can do anything about him. But the thing is when you're the king and you slaughter your cabinet and it's your turn to go, this is when Game of Thrones comes in and there's a lot of talk online of, well we're not going back, it's like, well you might not be, but the Republican Party might not be. And it's really not clear to me, there's still this huge governing Republican Party apparatus. The number of Republicans in Congress, who I would call MAGA, you could probably count them on one hand. Like, who in the Senate would you call MAGA? I don't think there's a single person. So it's really gonna be interesting to see like your point how this all shakes out. Yeah, I would add to your commonality about what this new right has in common. It's not just that they hate progressivism, they hate conservatism too. Oh yeah, that's true. They are unified in their belief that conservatism is a failed program. Yeah. This I, that they've kind of fully adopted the meme that conservatism is progressivism going the speed limit. And that's not a meme that's my quote. You made that quote? Yes, you became a meme. Are you fucking with me? No, I didn't know that was you.

That's my quote. That's like the one thing I thought that was like ancient. Like I thought that was the meaning of the motherfucker. Well, I'm true, your grays are showing. Yeah. Yeah, me too. You didn't know that? No, I didn't know that was your quote. Yes. Congratulations for having something that's so iconic that I thought it was just part of the atmosphere

You're welcome Well, that was your quote. Yes. Oh, well, congratulations for having something that's so iconic that I thought it was just

part of the atmosphere. Okay. Well, you're welcome. You're welcome. Yes. Go ahead. Okay. So anyway, it's like they've adopted this idea, but not with like the slightest sense of irony to it. they fully believe it, that this idea of conserving the tradition or the structure of your society is specifically the weakness that causes you to lose. So there's like progressiveism in their mind that they dislike and there's an alternate progressiveism that they do like that's their vision for a progressive, you know, a progressive right to sound again sort of oxymoronic, you know, and historically a progressive right is not a confusing concept. If you bother to read the Nazis for, you know, the five minutes it requires for you to talk about them on a podcast, you know, through Mein Kampf, you'll notice the number of times that Hitler talks about how he's got a vision for the whole future of humanity and he's going to drive this frankly progressive vision of humanity basically by seizing the means of control of evolution of man through his racial ideology. And you see this in the fascist ideology too. Mussolini is very clear about that. But this is a vision for progress for man that he puts down in fascism. He says this in the doctrine. I'm going to interject here because there's something that this is just key to your point. There's a book called the Philosia fascism, which came out 36 by someone called Mario Paul Meary,

I believe is the name.

It's a public domain, now it's at least on the internet.

And it was promoting fascism to America when before fascism was a bad word. And this is during the Great Depression, people were desperate to look for solutions in a very long prophecy mark, this collapse of capitalism seemed to be happening. It's like, oh shit, what are we going to do?

What people don't understand or don't understand enough

is how much fascism, I'm talking about Mussolini fascism,

but I'll... to be happening. Um, it's like, oh, shit, what are we going to do? What people don't understand or don't understand enough is how much fascism I'm talking about Mussolini fascism, but also something with Hitler is fueled by irrationalism and this idea of strength. And like you, you James or wherever else watching this can sit there with your charts and graphs and numbers. We're going to sweep all off that table. We're going to do it force, right? And in this context, and I know most people came up to have this, Obama's yes we can is like the quintessential fascist slogan, how are you gonna pay lower taxes? We can shut up, right? Exactly. And I saw this on X, where there was this kid, I think it's in a particular, I remember his name, I'm sorry. I think you talked about like how the tumor off named himself after his collarbone. That's fine. Someone saying, oh, you know, watch out the zoomer off in her coming, right? And there was a reply that said 50% of the zoomers are non-white and of the white ones, 15 to 20, let's suppose an exaggeration let's say 10 or even 5 identify some variant of LGBTQ how are you going to have the numbers to do this and the reply was go back to Israel and it's like but this is a real question like if you have this vision of taking over in conquest what's your strategy and the strategy in the stash of senses will figure it out where the strong ones, the strongs meet the weak. And it's like, okay. Yeah, exactly. And like, to the point of it being progressive, it's like, okay, how do we parse this idea of a right-wing progressive? Well, let's use different words. You have kind of egalitarian progressives, and that's your left, and then you have nationalist progressives, and that's this other, this new right. But they still have this vision, like you said, that by strength, by peer force of will, literally, you know, seizing the reigns of destiny in the heroic actor of history, that they're just going to drive mankind to its next stage of existence. It's not usually all that interested in maintaining traditions. It points to traditions, but it's not interested in keeping them. For example, the tradition of America is written in the Constitution, at least it's political tradition, and there have no interest in keeping this. They want this unbounded executive that you know they can do whatever he wants, except when he goes and unilaterally takes out Maduro, then they don't like it. He did it. And apparently it's a violation of something called international law that nobody believes in. So you're exactly right that what it is is, you know, all the pencil necks who are doing the calculations like, look, you're like 30% of one generation of the country. And do you think you have enough people to take over where all the older people are very rapidly learning to not like you and just keeping you out of stuff.

We thought, oh, we'll bring the youth in and now the youth went nuts, we'll keep the youth out.

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