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We continue our conversation with James Lindsay.

I didn't say earlier, but you, James, are the founder of new discourses, which is a journal, like an actual journal where maybe people would want to read what you write or what is written in new discourses.

And you've written a number of books.

So how did this, so this kind of blows up and you and your colleagues become famous for having pulled

off this brilliant hoax on the insane academic world, woke, super woke academic world.

So the Wall Street Journal got involved.

We cooperated with the journalists there pretty pretty much from the beginning and she

ends up breaking the story in early October of 2018 the New York Times put it on the front page

believe it or not on October 5th they actually gave us have a copy still to this day they gave us

fair treatment they didn't exactly give us a glowing review for a recommendation for what we had done but they gave us fair treatment. They didn't exactly give us a glowing review for a

recommendation for what we had done, but they gave us quite fair treatment, even in the New York

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