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The Good Fight

James Kirchick on America’s Enormous Progress on Gay Rights

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 3 December 2022

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

James Kirchick is a writer and a columnist at Tablet. His most recent book is Secret City: The Hidden History of Gay Washington. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and James Kirchick discuss how the Cold War shaped attitudes toward homosexuality; the (dis)similarities between homophobia and anti-Semitism; and what we can learn from the hard-won progress on gay rights about how to make progress in other areas. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi my name is Luis Perralis.

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I'm a graduate student at St. John's College in Annapolis

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and I recently wrote a piece for persuasion titled What Mexico gets Right about Race.

0:59.6

So I was born in Mexico, I moved to the US when I was 10 years old grew up in southeastern Virginia

1:03.9

but even from a very young age I felt like there was this big disconnect between

1:08.4

how race was talked about in Mexico and what I was hearing as a teen in the US. So I wanted to explore Mexico's

1:14.8

attitude towards race and I think what comes out of Mexico is a really different

1:19.5

but really interesting approach. It's called Mestizahé. In Spanish that translates roughly to

1:24.7

mixed race or race mixture. And so whereas many parts of the world, including the

1:29.0

U.S. categorized people into a few discrete racial categories, black, white, Asian, etc.

1:35.8

The idea in Mexico is that the country is inherently mixed race, that to be Mexican

1:40.9

means being of a mixed race ancestry.

1:44.0

It's a view that was really pushed after the Mexican Revolution in the early 20th century

1:48.0

and it still holds sway among many Mexicans today.

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