I'm working with the Bullwark Podcast. Happy Thursday. I am Charlie Sykes. If you are new

to this podcast, you should really consider subscribing. We've had an interesting week.

Earlier in the week, historian Nicole Hammer talked about the rise of the alternative conservative

media and the death of Reaganism. Yesterday, we talked with Elliot Ackerman, veteran of Iraq

and Afghanistan. Today, we are joined by James Homan, a columnist for the Washington Post,

covers politics, policy, the law, and other matters. Welcome back to the podcast, James.

Great to be with you, Charlie. Last time you were on the podcast, we created a little bit of trouble,

as you were talking about the internal debate in the Biden White House about the forgiveness of

student loans. We'll double back on that a little bit later. But I haven't done this lately,

but I feel the need for a palate cleanser to start off. So Mike Lindell, my pillow guy,

goes on, it doesn't matter where he was. And he's talking about, he's still added, by the way.

You know, pushing his demented, debunked, insane, crazy, whatever you want to say, election lies.

But he came up with an interesting new twist that was so interesting that the governor of the

state of Utah tweeted it out. This is what Michael and Dale, my pillow guy, had to say about his

most recent research into non-existent election fraud. You know, I believe you have the CCP,

the globalists, the uniparty. I believe it's all one just to help your family. And we showed it

on all the 50 states. You get to Utah where there's no day election. It's all mail-in.

It's pure crime. Nobody votes in Utah. Nobody, Brandon. It's all just made up.

Nobody votes in Utah. So Spencer Cox is the Republican governor of Utah who tweeted out this morning,

big if true. Who knew this about Utah, James? Really? Nobody.

I mean, it reminds me of Rudy Giuliani telling Rusty Bowers, we have our theories. We just need

evidence. Part of me feels a very infest, testively small part of me feels a little bit guilty before

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