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ladies and gentlemen gentlemen everybody this is richardich, and welcome to the sports media podcast.

My producer is always Patrick Antonetti.

This week, it is a familiar guest, James Andrew Miller, Jim Miller, the best-selling author of books on ESPN, CAA, Saturday Night Live.

He has been a guest on my podcast many, many times.

And this week, we discussed the intersection of the NBA's China story and ESPN.

And it has been a story that has dominated sports media over the last week or so. It's a story that's not going to go away

anytime soon. And in ESPN's case, an incredibly tricky terrain to navigate, given that they

are a league partner with the NBA. And I would argue that the sport is their second most important

property other than the NFL.

And there is no doubt, at least when it comes to sort of ESPN's digital arm and social media,

you see how many ESPNers are into the NBA.

And so Jim and I talk about where the story is now in relation to the media and specifically to ESPN,

how ESPN has navigated that,

why, and whether ESPN employees feel, uh, restricted about saying anything, who the people at ESPN who have been front facing on this and who's been behind, whether this will ever

appear on their main studio shows in terms of commentary versus

reporting and much more.

We also get into the Sports Illustrated layoffs as we did last week and Jim's perspective on

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