Jamelle Bouie and I Debate Trump’s Failing Grade
Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
New York Times Opinion
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🗓️ 25 January 2026
⏱️ 40 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, listeners, I'm here with a special bonus episode for you. |
| 0:07.0 | We're a year into the second Trump administration. |
| 0:10.0 | Only a year, even if it seems maybe a little bit longer than that. |
| 0:13.8 | And I've been thinking a lot about Trump's very specific unilateralist style of executive power, |
| 0:20.5 | and whether it means that all the crazy |
| 0:22.7 | seeming changes of the last year are really permanent and enduring, or whether they're |
| 0:27.9 | actually fragile and temporary. |
| 0:30.8 | So I was glad to sit down with my opinion colleague, Jamel Bowie, and our boss, opinion |
| 0:36.0 | editor Kathleen Kingsbury, this past week at an event |
| 0:39.1 | hosted by the Los Angeles Public Library. The three of us had a lively conversation about Trump |
| 0:45.2 | 2.0 and how the country in the world have changed or not changed as much as you might think |
| 0:51.2 | since his second inauguration. I think we covered a lot of ground, but you can be the judge. |
| 1:07.5 | Thank you all for being here tonight. |
| 1:10.2 | I'm excited to be in Los Angeles for this live |
| 1:13.1 | conversation with opinion columnist Jamel Bowie and Ross Doubt. It has been an eventful year |
| 1:19.6 | to say the least. Given what's happened even in recent weeks, I wanted to start this discussion |
| 1:25.5 | with how President Trump is reshaping the world and the |
| 1:29.2 | U.S.'s role in it. Then we're going to get into changes on the domestic front, how he's changed |
| 1:34.9 | the country, and finally, we'll touch on the upcoming midterm elections. But first, I want to start |
| 1:41.8 | by asking you both for the most consequential decision President Trump has made in his first year back in office. |
| 1:49.5 | Ross, you want to kick us off? |
| 1:50.9 | I would be delighted. |
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