Jamila, it's this gonna be me and you and

Everyone will be listening. Okay. Ready

This is Don't Ask TIG. I'm Tignotaro.

Hello Jamila. You've seen her on the good place and she has her own podcast. I weigh. Hi Jamila.

Hello, how are you? I'm good. Thank you so much for coming today. No, I'm a massive fan and

big friend. So I, uh, the pleasure and honor is all mine. Oh, well, the feeling is mutual and I

think that there's gonna be a lot of people thrilled that you're making an appearance on here.

Um, you, you very famously got your role on the good place with almost no acting experience.

Would you say that takes a lot of confidence? What does that take? I think it takes shamelessness.

I think it takes my fundamental belief system of thinking that failure is cool. Uh, and I have had

this belief system for like 15 years where I just think the only true failure that really exists

is not trying at all. I think when you take a risk on something where success isn't guaranteed,

I honestly look at it as a heroic act. I like your style. And do you have any, uh, do you have any

advice for people that might be wanting to take a big leap to do that sort of, uh, maybe their

own version of what you've done? Yeah. I think it's really important to just look at life as one giant

kit bucket, you know, really we get one shot at this, not to quote Eminem for too much of this

podcast. Uh, but I think that it's really important to remember that that fear should never

navigate any of your decisions in life. It's really important that you don't let it do so. And

it's really important that you don't allow the fear and projections of other people to, to navigate

your decisions because a lot of people are just fear mongering us because either they're afraid for us

or they have put too much importance upon the shame of failure or they don't want to see you succeed

at a risk you're taking because then that will make them feel like shit about all the risks they

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