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no bull and the aftermath.

The court was, all right, we understand that the courts have accepted that the government

can carry out these kinds of actions without first presenting evidence to a court.

But we think it ought to be required to present evidence to the court after the fact,

in the same way that if police use lethal force here on the streets of Washington, DC,

after the fact they can be brought to court and forced to defend their use of lethal

force.

I'm Benjamin Wittes and this is the LawFair podcast January 14, 2017.

Jamil Jaffer joined us this week at the Hoover Book Suarez, talking with LawFair Founding

Editor Jack Goldsmith about his new book, The Drone Memos, Targeted Killing, Secrecy

and the Law.

It's a wide-ranging interview about Jaffer's views of Targeted Killing and its legality,

the problems he sees in transparency and legal compliance and the case of Anwar Al-Alauki.

He and Goldsmith have lots of areas of disagreement but they find some interesting common ground

and they have an interesting debate about whether Jamil, who used to run the ACLU's National

Security Litigation, one more than he lost or lost more than he won in his many battles

against the government.

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