From KCRW, Santa Monica and KCRW.com, this is The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment.

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My guest writer director, Jake Casson, has a way of doing material that comments on the medium or itself, going back to his movie, The TV set, or his early movie, Zero Effect, his film, Walk Hard, his new TV show, The New Girl, and his new film, most recent film, Bad Teacher is about to release on Blu-ray.

Jake, thanks so much for being bad.

Thanks so much for having me, Elvis.

I'm so glad to be here.

But you do that, though.

You take these materials with people commenting on their lives, or there's like a, at least we kind of pulled into that.

And I wonder where that comes from.

Huh. That is a perfect Elvis Mitchell question.

I have been here 20 seconds and I have been Mitchell.

I don't know.

You know, I guess I TV set is really sort of about the television business.

And it had a whole sort of part of it that, you know, this is a little

independent movie I made five years ago that, you know, it definitely had a part of it that

was sort of a very direct commentary about the business. It was, you know, literally about the

business. And it made Walk Hard almost immediately after, which is very much a sort of postmodern, you know,

and it's a parody, but a very self-conscious.

And there's a meta aspect to zero effect as well.

Yeah.

There's a guy who's sort of writing his own story and who imagines himself a certain kind of movie hero almost, yeah.

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