Jake Graf on the EHRC Ruling and Nurturing Gender Expression
Homo Sapiens
Christopher Sweeney
4.7 • 1.8K Ratings
🗓️ 28 May 2026
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
Filmmaker, author and trans advocate Jake Graf joins me in the co-hosting hot seat at Homo Sapiens this week. We talk all things parenting, gender expression, growing up feeling different, and Jake’s new children’s book The Silly Frilly Dress.
We discuss raising kids without rigid gender expectations, why children often understand self-expression better than adults do, and the changing, hostile climate around LGBTQ+ rights in the UK and beyond.
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| 0:00.0 | Before the episode begins, I just need to remind you, it's the Homo sapiens Dog Walk on Saturday the 30th of May for at 1 o'clock in Regents Park. |
| 0:08.1 | You need to meet at Regents Bar and Kitchen. You can find it on Google. That's where we met last time. |
| 0:12.8 | You do not need to bring a dog. We will supply dogs. You do not need to pay. It's a free event. |
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| 0:23.6 | Listeners, hello. how are we all? |
| 0:40.3 | It's a beautiful day here at Homo sapiens Heights. |
| 0:43.9 | And joining me, I've got someone who I have known for a long time from across rooms we've |
| 0:50.4 | waved, but has never made it here onto the pod until today. It's Jake Graff, filmmaker, |
| 0:58.6 | trans advocate, author, particularly today. Welcome to Homo sapiens. How are you? |
| 1:05.9 | I'm very well, Chris. Thank you so much for having me finally. It has been quite the journey to get here. |
| 1:11.3 | It has. It has. And you have young kids yourself. The whole thing's a class to fuck, right? |
| 1:19.8 | Because as in I have two young kids. I think they are endless joy. Actually, our three-year-olds |
| 1:24.9 | started telling us both to shush and shut up. So, you know, at the moment we're having a bit of a while time, I'm assuming it's come back from nursery, |
| 1:31.3 | but you know, we've got a three and a six. And yeah, it's hard work, mate. But you know that. |
| 1:37.3 | I, so what was I singing this morning? I think I was singing one little speckled frog |
| 1:43.3 | because I had joy in my heart. |
| 1:46.2 | Yep. And my four-year-old said, stop singing. And I said, listen, I will stop singing, but I just |
| 1:55.4 | want to say we are a home where if people want to sing, they can sing because I had some joy in my... |
| 2:03.6 | Because I don't like... It feels like the... |
| 2:05.6 | Is this too much to say? It feels like a little bit of the beginnings of sort of like, |
| 2:10.6 | you know, don't wear that, don't do that. I don't know, I think everyone should be able to express |
| 2:15.6 | themselves. I think that's important, right? Absolutely. So what's going on today then? You've released a book today. Release the book today. It's been a long time coming. I don't know if you know that the kids' book market feels unnecessarily long, drawn out, considering it's about 100 words. Then obviously it goes off to the illustrator |
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