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As I record this I have been spending some time at the beach and I actually go to a beach

where there are a lot of surfers. A lot of surfers there. I am not one of them. Although

I'm kind of towing with the idea of getting my creaky body up on a board. And I've been

thinking a lot about our guest this week because Jim all yogis is he writes about the intersection

of Buddhism and surfing. He wrote a book a couple years ago called Saltwater Buddha and

is a new one called All Our Waves Are Water. And I get it even though I've never surfed

I can see from my limited standpoint how the two would intersect in a really fascinating

and satisfying way. And I always I'd be even though I've been going to this beach for

more than a decade. I always assumed I would never do anything except watch the surfers

and maybe watch someday my now two-year-old learn how to surf. I'm actually after this conversation

starting to think more about doing it myself. And maybe you will too. Here he is, Jim

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