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Bad Gays

Jacques de Molay

Bad Gays

Huw Lemmey & Ben Miller

History

4.6842 Ratings

🗓️ 11 March 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Today’s subject, Jacques de Molay, was the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar, or to give them their full title, the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon. Ever since their dissolution, the Knights Templar have been associated with all sorts of apparent manifestations - of occultism, of shadowy transnational powerbrokers, as the Guardians of the Holy Grail or whatnot. Today we’re going to steer away from these fantastical theories, because the reality of the Templars is far more interesting. Support us on Patreon and listen to our subscriber-only show EXTRA BAD GAYS. Check out our merch! ----more---- SOURCES: Michael Barber, A New Knighthood: A History of the Order of the Temple (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1993) Dan Jones, Crusaders: The Epic History of the Wars for the Holy Land (New York: Viking, 2019) Dan Jones, The Templars: The Rise and Spectacular Fall of God's Holy Warriors (New York: Viking, 2007) Amin Maalouf, The Crusades through Arab Eyes (New York: Schocken Books, 1984) Our intro music is Arpeggia Colorix, by Yann Terrien. Our outro music is by DJ Michaeloswell Graphicdesigner.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the final episode of Season 8 of Bad Gays, a podcast about evil and complicated

0:22.8

queers in history.

0:23.8

My name is Ben Miller.

0:25.2

I'm a writer and historian working on a biography of the fashion designer Rudy Gernrick.

0:29.8

And my name's Hugh Lemmy.

0:30.7

I'm a writer and author.

0:32.1

And it's the last episode of the season, which means we have now made 90 hours of this show.

0:40.3

We did it then.

0:41.3

90 hours.

0:43.3

It's been a good season, I think.

0:45.3

It's been a very good season.

0:46.3

I hope you've enjoyed it as listeners.

0:47.3

And we've enjoyed making it, which means I think we're not done yet.

0:50.3

So there will be a season nine, and there will of course be specials, and there

0:54.5

will of course be extra bad gays every month for our wonderful subscribers. But before you can

1:01.0

move on with your lives and we can move on with our lives, we have to make the 90th hour

1:05.3

of this goddamn show. So last week, we talked about the Bavarian swindler Adela Spitz-Eda.

1:13.7

Who are we talking about this week, Hugh?

1:15.4

Well, let me start a little story, Ben.

1:17.6

So last year, I spent about two months walking across the Iberian Peninsula from

1:23.8

Catalonia to Galicia.

1:26.0

And about a week into the walk, I walked over the border from Catalonia into the neighbouring

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