Jacobin Show: Sex and the State w/ Kristen Ghodsee
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🗓️ 15 April 2021
⏱️ 94 minutes
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Summary
Every Wednesday at 6 PM ET, Jen Pan, Ariella Thornhill, and Paul Prescod host a new episode of The Jacobin Show, offering socialist perspectives on class and capitalism in the twenty-first century, the failures of liberalism, and the prospects of rebuilding a left labor movement in the US. This is the episode from April 14, 2021.
Kristen Ghodsee, author of Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism, joins us to discuss socialist sex education and how Eastern European state socialism helped women gain more independence from men and, by extension, have better sex lives.
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| 0:30.0 | Hello, and welcome back to the Jacobin Show. I'm Jen Pan. I'm here with Aurela Thornhill. |
| 0:41.1 | Aurela, what's new? Oh, I moved my desk. Yeah, your your your background is vaguely different now. |
| 0:48.9 | There's like a different angle zoomed out on my library. Yeah, you were getting too many |
| 0:55.2 | out your Stalin book. I was. I people are going to have to like zoom in and do some of the like |
| 1:00.3 | enhance, you know, NCIS stuff to figure out what's on my bookshelf now. So speaking of books, |
| 1:08.9 | we have the author of why women have better sex under socialism. Kristen Godsee, she'll be coming |
| 1:15.2 | on a little later. And I also wanted to mention on the subject of books, Aurela, you are writing a book. |
| 1:22.0 | I don't know that we've ever talked about this on the Jacobin Show before, but it's called |
| 1:26.4 | Socialist Sex Ed. It'll be out from Verso Books in 2022. So before we bring on Kristen, |
| 1:33.2 | like I wanted to talk to you about your book and also about the history of sex education in the US. |
| 1:39.1 | So I guess just to kind of kick off, tell us a little bit about your book. |
| 1:44.2 | Well, this happened long before our sex in the state episode was conceived of, but when my son |
| 1:53.9 | was little, I was having a conversation with some friends of mine who are Socialists, some like |
| 2:00.2 | very active political women. And we were talking about how we're going to talk to our kids about sex |
| 2:05.3 | ed. And as a teacher, as a former teacher, I know that the best approach is to be as open as |
| 2:11.3 | possible to center things around, you know, pleasure and consent and the ways that bodies and |
| 2:17.9 | preferences change and stuff like that. But I wanted to like read a book and one of my friends |
| 2:23.8 | suggested a book about sex ed in the Netherlands, which is great. They have great sex education. |
| 2:32.7 | And we all read the book together. And it was really nice. There are some cool things in there, |
| 2:37.5 | they're much more open about pleasure and they're much more pleasure centered in their sex |
| 2:43.5 | education. So there's a chapter about this woman, the author going to a sex museum with her |
| 2:51.6 | daughter's class. And there's like a wall of screens of people having orgasms. And it's like |
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