Hey everyone, you are watching the Jacobin Show on your host Jen Pan. Of course, we're

here every Wednesday at 6 p.m. Eastern, so thanks for tuning in. Good to see you. On today's

show, I will be speaking to the one and only Crystal Ball, who you of course know as the

co-host of Breaking Points with Saga and Jenny and Crystal Kyle and friends. We're going to

be talking to her in just a little bit about sort of the ongoing problem of working class

alienation, why so many working people are disconnecting and dropping out of the political

process and potentially what we can do to turn that around. I myself will be making

some brief comments about some new polling that has come out that shows that basically

everybody in America is feeling pessimistic about the economy, despite the fact that the

economy is doing really well on paper. So I want to look at what might explain that disconnect.

Think of this as a sort of part two to my segment from last week, if you two did for

that. But for right now, I actually want to go ahead and bring out our first guest,

David Broder. He's going to be talking to us a little bit about the ongoing situation

in Ukraine. David is Jacobin's Europe editor. He's been writing and commissioning all

kinds of great articles for Jacobin on what's happening in not just in Ukraine, but in Russia

as well. So David, good to see you. Hi, thanks for having me on.

So I want to start with a question just about, I think, the broader context of the Russian

invasion. Obviously, Putin's invasion of Ukraine is an act of Russian aggression. And

you know, I think we on the left should and for the most part do oppose it. But it also

seems like since the, since the invasion began, the, I guess, liberal interventionist

foreign policy machine has kind of been going into overdrive. And what I mean by that

is we now see, you know, basically every political leader and commentator in centrist,

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