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Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the Jacobin Show. I'm Jen Pan, as always. Good to see you. Thank you for watching. Please hit like and subscribe if you haven't already.

So on today's show, I'm very excited to be talking to our friend Matt Huber. He's been on the Jacobin Channel before. You probably know him as a contributor to Jacobin and Catalyst.

He writes about the climate left, the climate movement, and his latest book out from Verso is Climate Change as Class War.

So I'll be talking to him in a little bit about not just the class composition of the climate movement as it is now,

but why exactly we should think of the climate struggle as class struggle and what it would actually take to build a working class coalition that is capable of fighting for large public works programs like the Green New Deal.

Also on today's show, we have two segments actually about the recent news about the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. That's likely coming.

I'll be taking a look at all of the corporations that have recently come out in support of abortion rights.

I think that there has been a lot of tearing from the liberal side of the Democratic Party about corporations taking a stand on reproductive freedom.

I of course will have some comments about why I don't think this is a productive development.

I will also be talking to the writer Natalie Sure, who of course has been a guest on the show in the past.

She has a great new article out in the New Republic about why the Supreme Court's decision concerning Roe v. Wade might not actually motivate voters to turn out for Democrats in this year's midterm elections,

despite what Democrats are obviously, you know, hoping will happen.

So I will be sitting down with her and talking about that right now, I guess.

All right, so we are now joined by Natalie Sure. She is a columnist at the New Republic, also a frequent contributor to Jacobin.

And her latest article for TNR, which we'll be talking to her about today, is the end of Roe v. Wade won't motivate Democrats.

Natalie, good to see you again.

Good to be on. Thank you so much.

So I want to dive straight into your TNR article. Obviously, you know, following the news that the Supreme Court will likely overturn Roe v. Wade.

I think that there's been a lot of fear, energy, apprehension, and specifically, I think the Democratic Party is sort of hoping that this shocking news will help turn out voters in what was previously looking like a doomed midterm election for them.

So your article examined some of the reasons why this might not necessarily be the case.

And so I thought maybe we could start by talking a little bit about who exactly are the people today who say that they're most concerned about reproductive rights.

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