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Jacobin Radio: The Donroe Doctrine w/ Pedro Paulo Zahluth Bastos

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🗓️ 13 January 2026

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Trump’s January 3rd military assault on Venezuela and abduction of President Nicolas Maduro marks a turning point in global politics. Trump made no humanitarian or democratic claims — only a blunt assertion of power, resources, and control. Suzi talks to Brazilian political economist Pedro Paulo Zahluth Bastos who says this new “Donroe Doctrine” is openly transactional, unapologetically imperial, and signals weakness: a declining hegemon turns to force to secure oil, minerals, and supply chains. We discuss why Venezuela was targeted, how China figures centrally in US strategy, and the trouble of defending Maduro in the name of “anti-imperialism.”

That question — how to oppose US imperialism without defending corrupt regimes — leads directly to Ukraine. Denys Pilash of Ukraine’s democratic socialist organization Sotsialnyi Rukh draws on his scholarly work on Venezuela. He is speaking from Kyiv in blackout conditions, under bombardment and infrastructure attacks. We discuss why the struggle against Maduro’s government and the struggle against American imperialism are not opposites, but two sides of the same conflict, in which people become pawns in political games. Pilash says for this reason, as internationalists, "we must speak out in solidarity with the people of Venezuela, the same solidarity that Venezuelans showed towards Ukraine in its resistance to Russian aggression." He argues that accepting a world divided into imperial spheres of influence fatally undermines any consistent opposition to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Jacovin Radio. I'm your host, Susie Wiseman. This week, we're looking at a turning point in global politics.

0:15.9

With the January 3rd U.S. military assault on Venezuela and the capture of Nicolas Maluro, the Trump

0:22.1

administration has made explicit what earlier U.S. governments often cloaked in the language

0:27.5

of democracy or humanitarianism, the open assertion of spheres of influence enforced by

0:33.7

military and economic coercion. Some have called this the return of the Monroe Doctrine.

0:40.2

Others, including Pedro Palo Zalupastas, our first guess, argues it goes further.

0:47.0

He calls it a Dunrow doctrine, the term Trump himself likes.

0:51.5

It's transactional, unapologetic, naked imperialism that Pedro Palos says reflects

0:56.9

weakness, a declining hegemon turning to open coercion to secure resources and supply chains.

1:03.5

This moment also raises uncomfortable questions for the left. All too often, the anti-imperialist

1:10.3

left ends up defending authoritarian

1:12.3

corrupt regimes simply because they stand in opposition to Washington, reducing the emancipatory

1:18.0

and genuinely democratic socialist project to campism, the idea that any enemy of the U.S.

1:24.3

is my friend, even accepting the label of a socialist or communist camp,

1:29.7

regardless of these regimes authoritarian, repressive, and anti-worker rule.

1:34.7

Venezuela brings these contradictions sharply into focus, and so does Ukraine, because if the

1:41.0

world now accepts the division of the globe into imperial spheres of influence,

1:46.0

then the principles invoke to oppose Russia's invasion of Ukraine collapse as well.

1:51.3

Today we're going to explore these questions with Pedro Palo Zalup Bastos in Brazil on the Dunrood

1:56.5

doctrine and Venezuela, and then with Denis Piliash of Ukraine Soziani Ruch, whose organization

2:03.0

issued a powerful statement condemning the U.S. assault on Venezuela, and who also brings

2:07.9

deep scholarly knowledge of the Venezuelan process itself.

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