This is Jacobin Radio. I'm Susie Wiseman. Today we hear from UC Berkeley sociologist Dylan Riley, who's written a great deal about fascism and far-right politics. We have just elected to the presidency, a man who has been characterized as a fascist and a dire threat to

democracy and constitutional rule as we know it. We'll get Dylan's understanding of the

specificity of Trump's politics, the basis of his support, the radical fascistic measures

his administration intends to carry out, including the frightening Project

2025, and how Trump fits in with analogous movements of the far right around the world.

We'll also get Dylan's view of MAGA's reactionary gender politics and the reactionary vision

of the family that sees women's advances at the expense of men

and their traditional family role.

There's much more when our program returns in just a moment.

Welcome. Welcome to Jacobin Radio.

I'm Susie Wiseman and really pleased to bring Dylan Riley back with us.

It's been a little bit of time and Dylan has been particularly intellectually active. And I thought given the situation that we're in,

this is a perfect time to talk to Dylan. Dylan Riley is professor of sociology at the University

of California at Berkeley. He's the author of the civic foundations of fascism in Europe.

Also the author of microverses, observations from a shattered present,

and another new book that I didn't even know about, but I'm just ordered Perdita. But many,

many, many articles, including in 2018, what is Trump? Most of his articles are a new left review,

and I'm sure in all of the prominent

sociological journals. And Dylan is also an editor at New Left Review. We had Dylan on with Robert

Brenner about a year ago, a little bit more, when they both wrote the seven theses on American

politics, which is still creating a lot of discussion, controversy,

new ways of thinking. And I'm sure some of that will filter here. But so, Dillam,

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