Welcome to Jacobin Radio. I'm your host, Susie Wiseman. On this week's show we're going to

play a very important dialogue recorded this week's show we're going to play a very important dialogue recorded this week at a public forum between Israeli historian genocide studies scholar Omar Bartov and Alan Minsky, the executive Director of Progressive Democrats of America, about the Israel

Gaza crisis.

In particular, the conversation focuses on the necessity of relaunching serious negotiations between Israelis and

Palestinians to achieve a just long-term political solution to the 75-year conflict

in Greater Israel, Palestine, and that activists and the left in general should

foreground this demand immediately while the world's attention remains on Gaza.

Bartov and Minsky then discussed a specific proposal for a political

solution that Minsky heard Bartov advocate in a previous interview in which Minsky

describes as a confederated state solution.

Neither a one state nor a two state solution,

but something in between.

The proposal can be found on the website a land for all.org.

All this when our program returns in just a moment. Welcome to Jacobin Radio. I'm Susie Weisman Radio. I'm Susie Weisman.

Omar Bartov was born and raised in Israel. He attended Tel Aviv University and St. Antonis College, Oxford and is currently

the Samuel P. Sarp Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies in the History Department at

Brown University. Bartov is the author of numerous books and studies.

His latest is genocide, the Holocaust and Israel Palestine,

the first person's history in times of Crisis published in August.

Earlier this year, Bartov published his first novel, The Butterfly and the Axe.

Professor Bartov came to prominence as a commentator on the current crisis when his essay called

what I believe as a historian of genocide was published by the New York Times on November 10th and went

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