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The Lawfare Podcast

Jacob Schulz and Justin Sherman on the New Zealand Report

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 April 2021

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Two years ago, a gunman opened fire at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, killing dozens of innocent people. Last December, the government of New Zealand issued a lengthy report on the subject, which Lawfare deputy managing editor Jacob Schulz and Justin Sherman of the Atlantic Council analyzed in a piece on Lawfare. The report is a particularly detailed catalog of how one user of the internet used it to radicalize, to threaten people and to celebrate racist celebrities. Benjamin Wittes sat down with Jacob and Justin to talk about the report of the shooter's internet use and what it all means for content moderation and the discussions about it that we're having today.

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0:25.6

no bull and the aftermath.

0:32.6

A particularly disturbing detail in the report is this individual's creation of a

0:39.3

Facebook album prior to the terror attack itself, which had a bunch of right-wing

0:45.6

videos in it, but also had a Photoshopped image of one of the ultimate targets

0:52.3

in the terror attack on fire.

0:54.8

It begs the question why, you know, why did more red flags or the right red flags

0:59.6

not go up.

1:01.1

I'm Benjamin Whittes and this is the LawFair podcast April 5th, 2021.

1:08.0

Two years ago, a gunman opened fire at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, killing dozens

1:15.2

of innocent people.

1:17.5

And last December, the government of New Zealand issued a giant report on the subject.

1:24.1

Yes, we're a bit late to discussing this report, but it took a while to read it, it being

1:29.4

more than 700 pages.

1:31.9

The other day on LawFair, LawFair's associate editor Jacob Schultz and Justin Sherman

1:37.7

of the Atlantic Council wrote a lengthy piece analyzing the report's discussion of the

1:43.8

shooter's use of the internet.

1:46.8

It's a particularly detailed catalog of how one user of the internet used it to radicalize

1:54.0

it, to threaten people, to celebrate racist celebrities, and to marinate in the soup

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