Hello I'm Krestey Young and this is a podcast from the Desert Island Discs archive.

For rights reasons, we've had to shorten the music.

The program was originally broadcast in 1996 and the presenter was Sue Lolly. My castaway this week is a footballer, even if you don't know much about football, you'll know about him.

He's one of its great names, the lad from a poor northeast mining village who followed his grandfather,

uncles and brother into the game and became one of the team that won England the World Cup in 1966.

For 21 years he played for Leeds United, appearing for them more than 600 times and winning 35 England

caps.

When he stopped playing he took up managing,

and for practically ten years looked after the Republic of Ireland,

leading them into the World Cup twice and so becoming an Irish hero. A tough blunt Jordi, he says of himself as a footballer,

the one thing I couldn't do was play, but I was very good at stopping other people playing.

He is Jack Charlton. So your skill was not so much as a dynamic force then Jack as a man who got in everybody else's way?

Well that's the way defenders are. I mean I was as a young boy never considered to be a player at all I just was big and I could kick the ball and I could play among the kids in the park and you were a tough tackleer.ler. I was tough and you know I like to fight and I

watch referees referee today and think of myself maybe I wouldn't have played now.

I've been able to play now. Really? Well this is when you

watch the way they operate on some of the games and some of the things that are

punished with yellow cards and red cards. You sometimes wonder how it would have been in my day.

You know, we would probably finish up six a side.

So you played rough?

Well, the game has to be rough.

I mean, if you don't play the game rough you you lose something from it

I mean you don't become a great player like Bobby Charlton or Dennis Law when people

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