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I'm Dorothy Wickendon, and on today's Politics and more podcast, David Hagland, the literary editor of New Yorker.com, talks to

Jackie Biskupski, the mayor-elect of Salt Lake City, about being the city's first openly

gay mayor, polygamy and the Mormon Church. David, you were born in Salt Lake City and grew up in the

Mormon Church. Did it surprise you to see a gay woman elected there?

Not especially.

Salt Lake City is far more liberal than people outside the region probably realize.

It's basically to Utah, what Austin is to Texas.

It's the state capital.

It's where the largest public university is.

And if you live in the state or even in the region and you're a progressive person,

Salt Lake City is probably where you want to be. And where in the region and you're a progressive person, Salt Lake City

is probably where you want to be.

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