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This is Monica Perez here with a couple of guys we recently got together with when we were talking about Saucers of the Illuminati.

And we started veering into the occult, but we just didn't have time to get to it.

So this is kind of a continuation

of that. You will remember, of course, Graham of Grimerica. Hi, Graham. Thank you so much

for being here. And my listener friend James, who is weirdly knowledgeable about pretty much everything.

So, and he's also from the Pasadena area,

so we are just enmeshed in the history of the occult,

connected to, believe it or not, the space program everywhere we look.

So hello, James.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you for having me.

Hi.

So here's the scoop.

Back in the, I think we're talking about like the central figure in the Pasadena, like space program occult nexus, is Jack Parsons, who was born in the 19 teens.

He died at the age of, I think, 37.

So, like, that's the time period we're dealing with.

He was a gifted chemist, and he worked on rocket fuel, rocket tree.

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