You're listening to Unfiltered with James O'Brien joined this week by

Jack Monroe who is well known for a variety of reasons for being a food blogger

for successfully suing Kate Hopkins, of course, for her journey out of poverty and her

trans status, which in recent years has become quite a big issue for the tabloid media in a way

that I have to confess I don't fully understand. In fact there's a lot about the whole trans issues that

I still don't understand even after

interviewing Paris Lee a few episodes ago. So I am really looking forward to this

but also I mean we don't prepare for interviews on unfiltered as such but I generally have a rough idea of where they're going to go.

With Jack I'm genuinely not sure I do. Can I ask you a weird question to start with?

Oh go on then.

Why have I heard of you?

Oh I don't know.

Usually people have heard of me because I said something mean about David Cameron once on the internet

Right or I sued Katie Hopkins I know that but let's go back before

Kid that made meals out of tins and got a cookbook deal. That generally I fall into one of three categories.

Everyone said really things about baby camera on the internet.

Yes, so only one of them gets it thrown back in their face on a near daily basis.

Hopkins is hopefully yesterday's news, but we'll certainly talk about your role in.

Been hoping that for quite some years, actually, but she's just not going away.

Talk about your role in that.

Let's begin then with the with the

because lots of people from working class backgrounds struggling to hold it

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