JACK DONOVAN| Why Outrage Culture Undermines Masculinity

Order of Man

Ryan Michler

Society & Culture, Business

4.8 • 9K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

Too many men today aren't struggling because they lack information. They're struggling because they're drowning in noise. And, I think it's time we start unpacking why the "modern masculinity" space has become obsessed with hot takes, call-outs, online outrage, and performative "accountability" - and why none of it builds strong men, meaningful connection, or lasting improvement.

Today I'm joined by my friend, Jack Donovan, to talk about why gossip masquerades as moral authority, how "calling men out" often replaces real accountability, the difference between integrity, honor, and reputation, why social media rewards division, not leadership, the dangers of pedestalizing others—and why men need a code to live by.

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS
00:00 - Studio Setup & Creative Work
02:24 - Why the Right Needs to Create Culture
04:22 - The Problem With Hot Takes
06:06 - Engagement vs. Building a Movement
08:17 - Writing as Intellectual Discipline
10:16 - AI Art, Aesthetics, and Snobbery
12:01 - Giving People the Benefit of the Doubt
14:11 - Funding Art and Leaving a Legacy
17:07 - Storytelling as Masculine Power
19:33 - Integrity as Aesthetic Congruence
21:09 - Integrity vs. Disintegration
23:14 - Faith, Ritual, and Mental Wholeness
25:16 - Philosophy as a Code of Conduct
26:50 - Honor as Reputation
30:13 - Tribalism and Dehumanization
33:18 - Why Men Gossip
36:49 - Malicious Gossip vs. Accountability
41:14 - Reality TV Culture and Privacy
44:43 - Judging Without Context
46:22 - The Danger of Moral Pedestals
49:32 - Hubris and Public Failure
52:31 - The Trust Recession
55:29 - Projection and False Narratives
58:51 - Redemption and Change

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0:00.0	Too many men today aren't struggling because they lack information.
0:04.2	They're struggling because a lot of us are just drowning in noise.
0:08.9	And I think it's time that we start unpacking why the quote-unquote modern masculinity space has just become obsessed with hot takes and call-outs and online outrage, what I would call performative accountability,
0:24.0	and why none of that builds strong men or meaningful connection or even lasting improvement.
0:29.9	Today I'm joined by my friend Jack Donovan to talk about why gossip masquerades as moral authority,
0:41.8	how calling men out often just replaces real accountability.
0:50.6	We also talk about the differences between integrity, honor, and reputation, and why social media rewards division, not necessarily leadership.
0:56.4	We get into the dangers of pedestalizing others and why it's important that men have a code to live by. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears
1:02.1	and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time,
1:07.6	every time. You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.
1:13.6	This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day,
1:19.0	and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
1:23.9	Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. I am the host and founder, Ryan Mickler. Thanks for tuning in. Man, I've got a great one lined up with Jack Donovan today. A lot of you guys know who he is and he has been instrumental in my work. One of the first guys that I've met in this space, so to speak, when I got started 10 years ago. And he's really led the way for a lot of the masculine discussions that I've had over the
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