Once upon a time there was a radio show called the Eric Matax's show.

It had an announcer named Todd, who was the handsomeest announcer in the land.

Eric was bitterly jealous of Todd's good looks.

But there was nothing he could do.

He just had to accept that cruel fate had made him as ugly as a toe.

And now your host, Warts and All, Eric Matax's.

Oh my gosh.

He doesn't mean literal warts, folks.

You understand?

Those are figurative metaphorical warts all over me.

But only metaphorically.

Folks, I get to have more conversation with my dear friend Jack Deer.

His book is called Even in Our Darkness, A Story of Beauty in A Broken Life.

It is a tremendously powerful book.

I have read it and been really moved by it.

There's so much to it.

So I'm just grateful I get to have Jack and his wife Lisa here in the studio in New York.

Jack, welcome back.

Oh, thanks.

Glad to be here.

I, um, where do we start?

We've covered this in the last two programs.

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