come up with an ad campaign, you sit in front of a room of people, see light bulbs go off,

or you've like said something in a way it hasn't been said before.

I've always like chased that feeling of like, how do you compress some epiphany into

a image or sentence or an idea?

It's a very gratifying and addictive feedback loop.

I've said this before, and I will say it again,

when we look at the digital art movement around crypto,

to which we shouldn't mistake the fact that there are still millions and millions of dollars every single day flowing in and out of.

It's still a big business in terms of art.

There are only going to be a handful of sort of foundational artists, creators, thinkers

who come out of that world when we look back on it 10 and 20 years from now.

Our next guest, Jack Butcher, is one of those people, in my opinion, who hits that tier,

both he and Visualized Value, which is sort of his brand, in my opinion, who hits that tier, both he and visualized value,

which is sort of his brand, his creative output handle, is I think at sort of the pinnacle of

like, how do we interpret and design out this game of the internet that people can understand

and align with? He is so good at systems thinking and so good as sort of the almost infographic style

of representation of what is this great sort of game

we call the internet and crypto.

So sit with me for the next 40 minutes,

listen to Jack,

and get inspired by someone who I believe

has used as years and years of craft building a creative ideology around communicating through technology at such a high level right after the break.

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