Hi, welcome to the Eric Mataxis show. I just found out I'm supposed to be someplace else right now.

So my sincere apologies, but I simply won't be able to introduce today's host, Mr. Eric Mataxis.

Folks, welcome. This is Hour 2, what I call Hour 2. Of course, you may be listening to it as the first hour today. That is your prerogative. But I just want to say that technically it's Hour 2. But I'm continuing my conversation from the previous hour with our friend Arthur Brooks, who is a professor at Harvard. It's really the best job he could get. Arthur, welcome.

Thank you very much. I appreciate it. It's great to be with you. A lot of people know you from the American Enterprise Institute, of course. You were there. I now realize 11 years. My goodness.

We originally booked you because you're in a film called Fishing with Dynamite, which talks about capitalism and the moral side of capitalism. I wanted to continue that conversation with you

because I guess I want to understand, let me, let me put it this way.

It seems to me what you said earlier is correct, that there was, there was naivete, there was hope

when we decided to give China most favored nation status. And we saw eventually and

certainly recently that it wasn't working and that simply by introducing the free market

to some place does not mean that those people will, you know, suddenly start thinking the way that

we do. When it was brought to my attention recently that Nike uses slave labor, I really gasped,

and I thought to myself, I don't know how I missed that. And then I don't know how it's possible

that this is not talked about. In other words, if that is true or even half true,

it seems that people should be up in arms over it. If the NBA is looking the other way so they can

make a lot of money and get into that market at the expense of human lives and the freedom of those

lives, we should be talking about this more.

Yeah, absolutely. We should always be talking about human rights abuses.

You know, the problem that we have, we have this misbegotten whole argument in America

about income inequality. The problem is not income inequality. And again, you know, I write

about this stuff. It turns that income

inequality at the world level has been going down every year for 35 years. The problem is that

we have a dignity inequality problem where certain people are simply not treated with radically

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