The episode you're about to listen to was released back when the mere Christians podcast was called the call to mastery

Now if you love mere Christians, you're still going to love these older episodes because the majority of each

conversation focuses on how the gospel influences the work of our guests. With that disclaimer out of the way, please enjoy the episode.

Hey everybody, welcome to the call to the Call to Mastery. I'm Jordan Rayner. This is a

podcast for Christians who want to do their most exceptional work for the glory of

God and the good of others.

Each week I host a conversation with the Christian

who's pursuing world-class mastery of their vocation.

We talk about their path to mastery, their habit. of their

history, and how the Gospel of Jesus Christ influences,

their work.

Today's guest is my friend Jack Alexander.

He is one of the most accomplished entrepreneurs I know.

He's built multiple businesses with thousands of employees and

hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. but as he says on the podcast,

he did that very much in his own weakness.

The Lord produced those results through Jack.

He's one of the most humble leaders I've ever

known. Oh yeah Jack's also a prolific writer on topics such as how the gospel

influences our perspectives on race and money.

Jack and I sat down and had one of my favorite conversations on the podcast in a long time.

We talked about why it's critical that we understand the difference between the quote unquote

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