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podcast and for the first time we have gone international. We're in Holland and

we're with the one and only Yapsdam. Yap thank you so much for joining us.

Some amazing, some controversial moments in your career.

This is the moment where you reveal all.

All of it.

Yeah, your first few years in Holland, outside the top league,

but then come 1996, PSV Einhoven come calling.

Yeah. One of the big giants, if not the giant of... PSVie Einhauven come calling.

Yeah.

One of the big giants, if not the giant of Dutch football.

How did that come about and what was going through your mind when that move came about?

I was surprised because six months before I made a transfer to Willem II in Holland.

Played quite well, started playing quite well, you know from the beginning at William II and then of course after six months

the PSV Eindhoven came knocking on the door and of course I was quite surprised

always my aim was you know to play in Holland to play at the highest level to go

eventually to the national team.

So at winter time, in the winter break, you know,

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