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Welcome to Straight White American Jesus. My name is Brad O'Nishi, faculty at the University

of San Francisco, our social system partnership with the Cap Center at UC SB. And I have a wonderful

guest tonight. And that is Dr. Leah Payne. And I'm going to talk to everybody about all your

amazing stuff in a minute here, Leah. But just want to say thanks for joining me.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm delighted to be here.

I say tonight because we're taping this after children have gone to bed and we can carve out

some time to actually, you know, in very busy schedules and family lives to actually like sit down

and have our conversations. So we're going to make it happen. And so first, let me tell everybody

about all your amazing, all your amazing stuff, your associate professor of American religious

history, George Fox University and Portland Seminary up in the Pacific Northwest, your first book,

Gender and Pentecostal Revivalism, making a female ministry in the early 20th century,

came out in 2015 as an award-winning book. And you're writing a second book on an amazing

topic, something I hope we can talk about in the future when you're ready. And that's the

development of contemporary Christian music. So many people are going to just love this book for

so many reasons. I'm already thinking of all the contemporary Christian music that I wish we

could just talk about right now. I do want to ask you though to tell us a little bit about your

podcast, Weird Religion. Oh, thank you so much. First off, I'm so honored to be here. I sort of

feel like a little bit star-struck talking with you now because I've listened to so many episodes.

So thank you so much for having me. And yes, my colleague and I, we have a little podcast called

Weird Religion, where we just talk about religion and pop culture. And it's mostly two religion

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