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On this episode of Narcissist Apocalypse Q&A, we talk with author and survivor J.D. McCabe about abuse and his book, The Third Gift,

My Dance with the Devil and Her Mother. Welcome to Narcissist Apocalypse Q&A, everyone.

I am Brandon Chadwick, and with me today, we have J.D. McCabe.

How are you?

Good morning. How are you, Brandon?

Thank you for the opportunity to be on your podcast.

I truly appreciate it.

Well, thank you for being here, and you wrote a book called The Third Gift, My Dance with the Devil.

Everyone can go pick it up on Amazon.

And if you go to Amazon, you'll see it has a ton of reviews, a ton of amazing reviews.

And your book, your story is one that is on the higher end of the spectrum of danger, not just to your life

in the sense of emotional abuse and things along those lines, but your life was in danger.

And you didn't know it. And these are one of those stories where you know it's going on behind the scenes and you don't know a lot of the time

what is actually happening your world has been destroyed so thank you for being

here to share with us um your story your life uh what you dealt with how you got out of it so jd

let's just go into first what we usually do when we talk to survivors, what was your childhood like?

My childhood, I come from a very large family.

German, Irish Catholic family, family in nine.

I've got five brothers, three sisters.

Now we have, you know, upwards of 28 grandchildren, probably eight or nine, you know, great, great

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