Welcome once again to get into the conversations,

that matter podcast, I'm your host, John Harris,

for an interesting discussion, a lively discussion.

And my second ever discussion

with someone who goes by an anonymous name.

We have Jay Burden with us. Hey Jay, how you doing?

I'm doing quite well, John. Thank you for having me on.

And people want to find out more about your podcast and your writing, they can go to Jburden.substack.com, Jburden.

Substack.com. But I reached out to, what, two weeks ago, I guess,

and I've known about you for a few years.

I think I was on your show maybe.

Yeah, we spoke a few months ago.

It's funny, we were talking about this

before you went live.

And if you have as many interviews as either of us do everything blurs together you know

It's sort of this like run of incredibly intense conversations, but yeah it was it was quite a good show. I enjoyed it a lot and I welcome the chance to speak with you again.

Yeah so I just reached out and said I'd love to have you on and I had my first anonymous

a person on the other day and so you're you're the second ever on the Conversations that

Matter Podcast which I don't know it's exciting in a way like we were talking

before we started recording that I think some people are attracted to those

conversations not just because you tend to be intelligent and

Cryptos was intelligent on this podcast but there is sort of like this element of like almost like forbidden

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