Lifecochian Le Van Zant has the kind of spirit that you want around you.

She lights up every room she walks into.

Not just because she dresses in bright colors.

She's in hot pink today, but her smile is megawatt and her voice is powerful.

You'd never know by looking, but she has been through it all.

From abuse, loss.

Those experiences have not made her bitter, quite the opposite, which is why I wanted her

to let me in on how she does it.

Ion let just walked away after ten seasons of owns Ion Lefix my life.

And I'm talking to her today as she walks into the next chapter of her life.

I'm Hota Kotby.

Welcome to my podcast Making Space.

Y'all I've been waiting for this moment.

I don't know what it is about you.

I've interviewed you a couple of times, but every time I sit with you, I feel like I am

in the presence of a healer, of a teacher, and I instantly turn into a student.

There's that quote, what is it when the students read it?

The teacher appears.

But when the students really ready to teach it disappears.

What does that tell me that?

When you're really ready to stand in your learning, your living, your bigness, your greatness,

you don't need a teacher.

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