We are now live on the Conversations That Matter podcast. I'm your host, John Harris. I hope everyone is having a wonderful Monday after Easter. In fact, on my calendar, it says Easter Monday. I should probably figure out what that means. I don't come from a tradition that has been the most liturgical. So some of you might be celebrating Easter Monday today. We're doing it with leftovers from yesterday.

We had quite the feast and quite the good time at church.

And just it's wonderful to focus on the resurrection of Christ and what he's done, what he's accomplished.

For me, I actually wrote an article for TruthScript.

It's just a short article, but it's particularly

special having recently gone to the area where Christ was crucified and then he was at the tomb

of Joseph of Arimathea. I didn't realize how close those places were. They're both within the

Church of the Holy Sepulchre today. And you can imagine Christ emerging

from the grave, looking upon the area where he was just killed and died for the sins of the world.

And I, it makes it, I don't know that it makes it more special. It's always special. It's just,

I have visuals to go with it. I can imagine a little bit better what it might have looked like right outside the gates of Jerusalem. So special Easter for me. And I hope, like I said, you had a wonderful Easter and things are really coming to a good start here on a Monday of the following week.

I wanted to bring your attention to an article that I just wrote.

I wrote it on Friday.

I think I finished it Saturday morning, actually.

And it is on Nine Marks.

That's actually going to be the topic for our podcast today,

the Ministry of Nine Marks,

which is an ecclesiastical, or ecclesiological, I think is the way they put it, ministry.

They, it starts off with the core teaching, which is Nine Marks of a Healthy Church by Mark Debrer.

It's a book.

And from there, there's all these

other resources on church membership and polity and revitalization and all of those kinds of

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