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much. Hi and welcome to normal gossip. I'm Kelsey McKinney, and in each episode of this podcast, we're going to bring you an anonymous morsel of gossip from the real world. Today, I am so excited to have with me a long-distance friend Caroline O'Donohue. Caroline is a novelist, a podcaster, and a screenwriter. All Our Hidden Gifts,

her fantasy series for young adults, is a New York Times bestseller, and the Rachel

Incident is being adapted for television by Universal Studios. Wow, that's cool. Caroline's podcast

Sentimental Garbage Charts internationally and has acquired over nine million downloads worldwide.

Also, I love it. She was born in Cork, Ireland, and she currently lives in London. Caroline, welcome.

Hello, I'm so excited to be here. You've no idea. This is fantastic.

Caroline, will you start me off with the classic first question and tell me what your relationship with gossip is? Wow. Many and varied. Like I feel, um, so, and in, in, in case it's not clear to

your listeners, I am an Irish person and, um, and like, there's this whole thing of like, I get to sit on

all these amazing literature panels and have people ask me really thoughtful questions about like,

what is it with the Irish and storytelling? ask me really thoughtful questions about like,

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