Hello there, you awakening wonders. What a day it is to be free. Thanks for joining us on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

It's a very special conversation today for those of us that are interested in truth.

Non-biased reporting, confronting issues that we find challenging, a willingness to listen to alternative perspectives.

Old media, new media, old activism, new activism, censorship,

the complexity around language. I am being joined by that great truth seeker, co-host of breaking

points. It's Saga and JETI. Saga, thank you so much for joining us today.

Oh, thank you so much for having me back, Russell.

I appreciate it.

Last time we communicated, you revealed that you worked with Tucker briefly.

Since then, we've had Tucker on our show.

It's really important for us and significant.

It really is one of those moments in a channel's trajectory.

I guess perhaps for you, like your conversation with Rogan when you guys went on there and

stuff, like where you notice how independent media relies on these kind of alliances and how

significant it is that we sort of formulate them. And it seems to be happening quite easily and

naturally in this space that there isn't a sort of a negative sense of competition, more a sense of, oh, we're all

in this area and we're sort of helping one another. Since being on our show, Tucker's also

spoken to Andrew Tate. And I suppose what I feel is interesting to discuss is, like people will

probably say to me, people that like, say from conventional liberal spaces,

that I shouldn't talk to Tucker.

Certainly people will say that Tucker shouldn't talk to Tate.

Where do, and like Andrew Tate would have conversations on sort of a mainstream platform like the BBC.

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